Showdown! Cowon S9 vs Samsung P3 vs iriver SPINN!

All three of these Korean-made players are available now in the U.S.. Each has been around long enough to benefit from a few firmware updates. All are pocketable touchscreen players with 480 x 272 resolution. All support FLASH games and apps. All have Bluetooth. These are easily the showstoppers from each company this year, and the competition between them is good news for consumers. Here we'll take a look at the Samsung P3, Cowon S9, and iriver SPINN.

I'll compare them for aesthetic design, hardware details, format support, usability, price, and overall satisfaction as personal media players. I've had all three for some time now, and done exhaustive testing of each. Scores will be explained in each category and will be from 1 to ?, with the higher number being the better score. You'll have your own priorities for the player you own, so don't let the final tally dissuade you from your favorite.

Aesthetic Design. I'm a furniture and product designer, and greatly appreciate the looks of a player. Players that go beyond being visual "knock-offs" and seek new aesthetic territory get my vote. These players all caught my eye before getting further attention from me. My guess is that they've caught your attention too. I've rated them as I see them. Click on each to see their manufacturer support pages and the relative "press" given to the aesthetic design of each.

Cowon S9 · 5 Points.

Simply beautiful from every point of view.

iriver SPINN · 4.5 Points.

Original Spindle control breaks away from the pack.

Samsung P3 · 3.5 Points.

Minor improvement over the P2. No iPod clone.

Hardware Details. These days a player has to be more than just a touchscreen. The P3 and SPINN both have haptic (vibration) feedback when you touch them. The S9 and SPINN are AMOLED (beautiful!) screens compared to the P3's backlit LCD. All have Bluetooth but the P3 has far greater profile support than the other two. They all have external volume buttons. The SPINN and S9 offer external Pause/Play and track Fwd/Back. The P3 has a speaker. The SPINN and the S9 have 3.3" screens to the P3's 3-incher, but the S9's screen supports a greater color range than the SPINN. Each device gets a point for any feature all three don't have.

Samsung P3 · 5 Points: Haptic + BT Phone pairing + BT File transfer + BT game play + Speaker.

iriver SPINN · 4 Points: Haptic + Spindle controls + AMOLED + 3.3" screen.

Cowon S9 · 7 Points: G-Sensor + Track/Play/Pause controls + AMOLED + 3.3" screen + more colors + LineIn + TVout.

Format Support. This is simply another counting comparison. If you're coming from an iPod then AAC and MP4 media playback will be worth more to you than OGG or FLAC or WMV. Yet each codec has value to somebody. As such each audio and video and photo codec supported gets one point. Click on each to go to their specifications page.

iriver SPINN · 13 Points: MP3, WMA, OGG, FLAC, ASF, APE for music.

MP4, WMV, XVID for video. JPG, GIF, BMP, PNG for photos.

Cowon S9 · 10 Points: MP3, WMA, FLAC, OGG, WAV, APE for music. AVI, WMV, ASF for video. JPG for photos.

Samsung P3 · 13 Points: MP3, WMA, OGG, WAV, AAC, FLAC for Music. JPG, BMP, PNG for photos. SWF, WMV, H.264, MPEG for videos.

Usability. How easy is it to turn on the player, find the song you want to play, and start listening to it? The P3 will resume on the page it was on when you last turned it off. It's also got a touch interface that really takes advantage of the hardware's potential. With the S9 one tap on the Music icon goes directly into the media player, yet makes you "back up" to pick a song to play. The SPINN lets you look for and select a song without touching the screen, yet doesn't let you control it completely with touches on the screen. For this comparison 5 songs are chosen among all the common songs each player contains. The average number of taps/click/spins/strokes it takes to begin playing each song will be part of that player's score, with low score winning. The songs were all from different albums, and spread across the alphabet. From Boof by Tony Remy to Unwritten by Natasha Bedingfield.

Cowon S9 · 2 Points: 5.4 average.

Samsung P3 · 1 Point: 6.2 average

iriver SPINN · 0 Points: 7.2 average

The other part will be a boot-up value. Using my stopwatch each device will be timed from when the power switch is pressed/slid to when an icon can be tapped on. The quickest device gets 2 points. Second place gets 1, and last place gets 0 additional points.

Samsung P3 · 0 Points:

From OFF = 11.90 seconds. From SLEEP = 2.70 seconds. (14.60)

iriver SPINN · 1 Point:

From OFF = 7.71 seconds. From SLEEP = 1.18 seconds. (8.89)

Cowon S9 · 2 Points:

From OFF = 6.09 seconds. From SLEEP = 1.52 seconds. (7.61)

Price. The price has fallen on both the S9 and SPINN since they first came out. The P3 is the latest to arrive, yet it's MSRP is competitive with the other's current prices. The SPINN doesn't come in a 16gb version, so these prices are all for the 8gb versions of each device. The P3 is a bargain here, with 16gb models still under $200. There is more cost involved with the AMOLED screens that the S9 and SPINN use, but their prices have crept down since the P3 was released, and may come down more. Lowest price gets the highest score.

Samsung YP-P3 8gb · 2 Points: $149.99

Cowon S9 8gb · 0 Points: $169.99

iriver SPINN 8gb · 1 Point: $159.00* normally still $199.

Overall satisfaction. This part is purely subjective. I hate the SPINN's user interface. I love the efficiency of the P3's UI. The one I most want to hold in my hand is the Cowon S9. All three sound great once you get to your music and start listening. The S9's amazing battery life reduces that annoying need to charge these players periodically. Cowon has a U.S. based retail arm (jetmall.net) that make is easy to find cables and other accessories. The P3's extended bluetooth capabilities exceed those of the other two, but in practive I don't use them much. That little speaker the P3 has makes it easy to check sounds when your headphones are out of reach. Widgets are generally eye-candy and have little to do with media play on the P3 or S9, yet some provide easy access to system settings. No widgets on the SPINN. What pushes the S9 over the edge is it's support for video-output and line-in recording. Watching videos on that 3.3" AMOLED screen is satisfying, but watching them on a 40" HDTV is easier on the eyes. Neither the P3 or SPINN allow this. For these reasons I score them:

Cowon S9 · 4 Points.

Samsung P3 · 3 Points.

iriver SPINN · 0 Points.

Totals. Simple addition. The Cowon S9 wins!

S9 = 30 Points. P3 = 27.5 Points. SPINN = 23.5 Points.

Your personal satisfaction may vary, but online forum activity seems to follow these results. The busiest forum (of these three devices) is the Cowon S9 forum at anythingbutipod.com. Their Samsung P3 forum is most recent to the game, yet is building in activity as more people get them. It's hard to find anyone checking their SPINN forum these days. The one I pick up most often is the S9, yet I'll take the P3 with me to show off it's capablities to friends. I think 99% would be happy with either, and the SPINN will satisfy anyone who hasn't seen an S9 or P3. ;·)

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Noreve Case for the iRiver SPINN

Noreve comes through again with a well crafted leather case that fits and protects perfectly my iRiver SPINN. All controls and the USB port are accessible with the case closed. There is even a small hole for access to reset. The leather is high quality and the stitching is excellent. It comes with Noreve's standard but well engineered belt clip and a screwdriver to install it with.

Noreve's cases are pricey, but you won't find a better quality case out there. You can get yours in a wide range of colors, although you might have to wait a few weeks if they don't have the color you want in stock. I recommend them and have several within my collection of devices. You won't go wrong with Noreve's Tradition leather Case for the iRiver SPINN.

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January Updates for Your Media Player!

I'm not sure what the push was, unless the manufacturers were simply trying to keep to a once-a-month update schedule, but several of the newer media players have received firmware updates this month.

The Samsung P2 is more than a year old, but today I found two new games that work on it. Thanks to theP2Zone.com you can download them yourself. They are Sudoku Champ:

and Bubble Bang:

Released for the New Samsung P3, it is wonderful that Samsung has kept gameplay the same between the new P3 and the older P2. I'm a fan of Sudoku, and this version is very well done with a good touchscreen interface. Bubble Bang will get tiring after a couple of rounds, much in the same way that popping the bubbles of bubble-wrap does.

The Cowon S9 gets new 2.08 Firmware.

This is only a minor update over the previous 2.07 version, but a step forward none-the-less. You'll get:

- Improved page-up and page-down in documents mode.

- Displayed charging status when the device is connected to PC by USB cable.

- Improved low bit rate MP3 playback.

- They fixed the error that auto pivot was irregularly not working when auto pivot is just changed to be on.

- They fixed the error that displaying files abnormally when music in music favorites is playing in shuffle mode.

- They fixed the error that Bluetooth headset was not working when you turn on Bluetooth while some particular music files are playing.

Beyond new firmware the S9 now has a multitude of user-created interface alternatives, and custom versions of most apps that eliminate most of my original complaints about the player.

Iriver goes one step further with the 2.10 firmware update for the SPINN. It adds a Memo app that lets you draw or write directly on the screen.

The photo app has been improved. I can now rotate images easily, but apparently my photos are still not supported by the Zoom function. The Korean version had the capability to scheduled recording off FM radio, but once I changed to the US version that feature disappeared.

Even the iPod Touch gets an update this month. 2.21 firmware fixes some security flaws and a few other things. Minor, but appreciated!

So if you own any of these players, go get the updates. Their ability to be updated after purchase means your investment gets better as you continue to own it.

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Bluetooth-Capable MP3 Player Comparison

If you're not a fan of wires or the small ear bud headphones that come with 99% of the MP3 players out there, the best option available right now is Bluetooth. Not every player comes with it, and the ones that do vary in how well it is implemented. Bluetooth support is actually pretty rare among the wide array of players available. Yet if you've got a player that does include it, your music experience can spread beyond your ears. With some players you'll also get the ability to transmit files back and forth to other MP3 players or your PC if it has Bluetooth capability.

Definitions: Bluetooth is an industry specification that describes how Bluetooth-compliant stereo headsets, mobile phones, and external devices can easily interconnect with each other using a short (10 meter) wireless connection. There are several different uses for Bluetooth. Your PC may support Bluetooth keyboards, mouses, speakers, network sharing, headsets, headphones, and file transfer. The best of the pocket media players supports Bluetooth headsets, speakers, file transfer, cell phone pairing, and even game play over Bluetooth. Some acronyms we've been talking about include: (EDR)Enhanced Data Rate, (OPP) Object Push Profile, (A2DP) Advanced Audio Distribution Profile, (AVRCP) Audio Video Remote Control Profile, and (HFP) Hands Free Profile.


Players and the profiles they support:
- Samsung YP-P2: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR. A2DP, AVRCP, OPP, HFP
- Samsung YP-T10: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR. A2DP, AVRCP, OPP, HFP
- Cowon S9: Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR. A2DP, AVRCP Profiles
- Iriver SPINN: Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR. A2DP, AVRCP Profiles
- Insignia Pilot: Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR. A2DP, AVRCP Profiles
- Philips SA5245BT: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR. A2DP, AVRCP, OPP Profiles
- Sony NWZ-A828KBLK : Bluetooth 2.0+EDR. A2DP, AVRCP Profiles
- Haier Ibiza H1A030BK: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR. A2DP, AVRCP Profiles

I've had a chance to try out the bluetooth on both Samsungs, the Philips, Insignia, Cowon, and Iriver. The Iriver SPINN and Cowon S9 are both relatively new, and when using bluetooth on both I've run into a few problems with the devices running slow or choppy, or causing the music to skip or breakup. They also have difficulty seeing standalone bluetooth speakers. Each has gotten better with recent firmware updates, and I have faith they'll both get the bugs worked out eventually. The Philips is reliable, and even sends FM radio over bluetooth which is something no other player seems capable of handling. The Philips also adds the ability to send files to other devices once connected. I've tested this with the Samsung P2, and was able to send a music file from the Philips to it, as well as send a file back to the Philips from the Samsung. Bluetooth file transfer is not terribly fast, but will get the job done. The Philips also worked with the Samsung T10 and my Samsung Instinct phone.

All of the players I've tried sound great when their audio is sent over bluetooth to a decent receiver. There are several over-ear headsets out there in the $50 to $100 range. With relatively small driver, you'll miss the lower frequencies and this may contribute to Bluetooth's poor reputation for stereo audio transmission. With better quality bluetooth headphones my experience matches that of wired connections to good headphones.

Some headsets to consider are: The Sony DR-BT50, The JBL Reference Series 610, and Motorola S805. With most Bluetooth headphones/headsets you can also pair with with a cell phone and use hands-free for sending and receiving calls. The Samsung P2 and T10 can also be paired with bluetooth cell phones and be used to send and receive calls, pausing their music automatically when a call come in.

The Insignia Pilot appears to be out of production, but it represents a great value if you can find one. Bluetooth works great on it, and it pairs easily with all compatible products I've tested.

Summary: If you're tired of the wires, Bluetooth has matured into a great way to get rid of them. The Samsung Players lead the pack, with Cell phone pairing, file transfer, and even device-to-device game play over bluetooth. Philips comes in second. Philips also makes several other great Bluetooth accessories, and appear to be aggressively working to put bluetooth in even more. The Insignia does a great job, but limits it to stereo audio. The same is true of the Cowon and Iriver players, but I'll reserve final judgement on them until their firmwares evolve some more.

I've mentioned Bluetooth in several posts. For me it's a killer application, making portable media players with bluetooth profoundly more user friendly, versatile, and enjoyable than what came before.

Some previous posts relating to Bluetooth. Enjoy!

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FLASH: The New Application Strategy?

1. There is a new trend from the Korean MP3 player manufacturers to include a FLASH player in their new MP3 devices. The iriver SPINN, Cowon S9, and Samsung P3 all have 480 x 272 touchscreens and a Flash player app on board.

2. WiFi is one feature of the iPod Touch that is hard to compete with. The App Store with thousands of applications for the Touch is the other. High end players from anyone else would need a similar source of apps to even begin to steal market share from Apple. Having better Audio output, FM radios, and Bluetooth isn't enough.

I predict we'll begin to see incentive from the Korean manufacturers to develop Flash applications for the new family of touchscreen players. Maybe even an online store and profit share strategy for developers. I pick up my Samsung P2 when I want to listen to Music, but the iPod Touch is my main source for games. I'd LOVE to find a source of great applications that would play on the SPINN, Cowon S9 and P3. New products would then only have to include a Flash player to have instant access to all those apps.

What do YOU think?
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Catching Up. MP3 Players Hot on the Heels of the iPod Touch.

In August I wrote about possible new MP3 players from the major manufacturers. You can read that entry HERE. Some predictions have come true. Some have been close. Some are yet to be realized. Many companies have revealed their hands, and this post will take another look.

Apple showed us it's new iPod Touch. I guessed it would get a plastic back, and missed on that one. The iPhone, however, now has a Plastic back available in White or Black. The Touch got a lower price and a couple of hardware improvements. The new model (2nd gen) will get you a speaker, Volume controls, internal Nike Shoe support, and a new headphone jack that supports headsets with microphones. It's a better value than the first gen, with more features and that lower price. Same screen and form factor though.

Samsung has revealed the P3 it will introduce formally at CES in January 09. It has already won an award for new technology. The same size as the P2, but with a new interface, haptic screen feedback, improved audio processing (DNSE 3.0), better Bluetooth (2.1), a speaker and an aluminum body. There will also be a P4, but it is expected to be a leap ahead and available along side the P3 but with more features. The P2 and P3 are amazingly feature laden, so I strongly suspect the P4 will have WiFi. That's the only technology the P2 and P3 don't have. Samsung has shown us a folding OLED screen. The potential is great. I expected to be amazed by the P4.

Microsoft updated the Zune with new firmware and desktop software. They made the existing hardware more useful. The new Zunes are the same form factor but with a few new color options and greater capacities. Prices went down. They added the ability to buy songs from the Zune Marketplace using the Zune's WiFi. They also added a feature to let you tag a song you hear on the radio for purchase and direct download. Their desktop software is amazingly good, with quite a bit of original thinking over the competitors. Rumors include Microsoft porting the Zune UI into the Windows Mobile software. Time will tell.

Dell decided to get out of the game. Again. I'm guessing they took a hard look at the competition and realized they weren't ready. You can read a bit about it HERE.

I predicted Sony would be working hard on their own touchscreen player, but holding off on releasing it until they knew they had a great one. Latest leaks indicate their will be a touchscreen Walkman showing at CES. With Wifi and access to Amazon's Music store perhaps. A thin form factor, and original media interaction. Surely smaller and thinner than THIS player, and the best direct competitor for the iPod Touch out there. No one has seen the interface yet, and that's where many other players have failed. I'm counting on Sony to make a strong comeback though. They used to own the personal media player market. Let's just hope their new player is affordable.

There are other new players out there as well. Iriver brought out the SPINN. Cowon just released the S9 Curve. Even Coby has a 3" Touchscreen player. I've reviewed the SPINN and found it still needs work. I've got an S9 on the way. No WiFi in either, so their best competition is the Samsung P2 and P3. The Coby MP-835 is a poor attempt. The SPINN doesn't quite keep up. I'll let you know how the S9 does in a week or so. It has the most potential to unseat the Samsung players.

It's a great time for touchscreen media players. I have to give credit to Apple. They raised the bar for both cell phones and media players with the iPhone and iPod Touch. They brought all the competition up to a new level. I'm looking forward to 2009. CES 2009 is THE place to watch in the next few weeks. It's all happening there.

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iriver SPINN. My Review.

The iriver SPINN caught my eye when it was first shown several months ago. Beginning prices ($290ish) were too high for the listed features IMO. This week I saw the 8gb version for sale at Newegg.com for $220 with no tax and free shipping so thought I'd take a look. Still a little high, but a good sign that the SPINN is moving down to reasonable prices with time. For comparison you can get an 8gb Samsung P2 for $160 or less, and the P2's features are a bit more evolved than the SPINN.

The feature that most intrigued me was Bluetooth, as I'm a big fan of wireless headphones. The SPINN limits it's bluetooth to stereo headsets though. The Samsung P2 throws in cell phone pairing, file transfer, and bluetooth game play. If you're all about music then the SPINN's bluetooth should cover you. There is some unused potential here though.

One feature that stands out on the SPINN is it's 3.3" 480 x 272 AMOLED screen. It's HUGE compared to the 8gb Zune's 1.8" screen shown above. It is the same resolution as the Samsung P2 and the Coby MP835 but noticeably larger. The three players are nearly the same in width and height, but the SPINN's screen uses more of the front surface area. You don't need a big screen for music, but if you're interested in photos and video playback then the SPINN will delight you. Simply beautiful.

The main options of the SPINN include FLASH games, Voice recording, Pictures, Video, Music, FM Radio, Text, File Browser, and Settings. If you lived in Korea you could add DMB TV and a Dictionary to those. Unfortunately other countries get fewer features.

Flash is where some interesting potential lies, but out of the box there were only two flash applications on the SPINN. More "might" be available in the future. It is suggested that games made for cell phones using the same resolution touchscreen would work. Time will tell.

Voice recording is one of those features I want but don't really need. The SPINN does a decent job allowing low, medium, and high quality settings, as well as the ability to only record when sounds are detected. If you need to spy a little, that feature might be perfect.

The Pictures app needs a little work. As far as I can tell there is no auto rotation of photos to fit the screen, and no manual rotate either. There is a zoom icon to tap on, but all I get is a "this file format is not supported" message when I try and use it. There is a slide show option along with a variety of slide transitions you can apply. The transitions include Fade, Wipe left, Wipe right, Wipe up, Wipe down, Random, and off. You can set the delay to 3, 5, 7, or 9 seconds between photos. Lastly, you can select one of your photos as the SPINN's background wallpaper.

Videos look great on the SPINN. Above is the same movie on the P2 (top) and the SPINN. The video player could use a few more features though. Options include Scan Speed, Resume, and Sequential Play. There is no way to zoom a video to fill the screen if it's not 16x9 format, and there are no direct options to brighten/dim the screen or tell the SPINN to connect to bluetooth from within the app. Again the SPINN could use some more options for video playback. I'll have to do more testing, but with Bluetooth on I noticed considerable frame dropping on a movie I was watching. Th same movie looked fine with no dropped frames on the Cowon S9 and Samsing P2. It appears the SPINN's bluetooth relies on the main process of compression, and in doing so steals processing required for movie play. A real shame.

The Music player seems to have gotten the most development time, but it fails to take advantage of the great screen. Album art never shows up any larger than a postage stamp on the big screen. The image above compares album art between the SPINN (top), Samsung P2 (left), and Coby MP835. You can list your music by Songs, Playlists, Albums, Artists, Genres, or Podcasts. The Album selection displays your cover art, but only three full images to choose from at a time. If you've got a small finger you might be able to select one of the albums that is cropped on the left or right. The font and spacing used only show five songs at a time. If you go into settings though you can rotate the screen display and see up to seven items listed at a time. It would be nice to see a longer list though so any song from an album could be picked without having to scroll the screen. If you just list songs in the portrait display it will show nine at a time. The portrait display isn't optimized for the SPINN's external controls, but if you prefer touching the screen it is more efficient. Options in the music player include Play Mode (Normal, Repeat, Repeat One, and Shuffle), Select EQ, Scan Speed, Playback Speed, and Lyric Display.

The FM radio application is decent, but also could use some additional features. You can record from FM which is nice and very simple to do on the SPINN. There are three quality settings for FM recording. There is an Auto-Preset option that lets you store up to 30 channels, and the SPINN make it easy to switch between presets and manual tuning. In manual mode a long touch of the arrow buttons will have the radio search for the next active channel in that direction. You can select the Tuner region, and also switch between stereo and mono modes. There is no RDS to help you determine the station/song/artist, which is sorely missed. The Zune or Samsung P2 both display RDS data from stations that support it. There is no way to pause or mute the radio. If you leave the radio app the radio stops playing. Better players will allow you to listen to radio while viewing photos or text.

The Text viewer is very basic. Only .TXT files are supported. You have three sizes of letters to choose from but only one font. There is an auto-scroll option and the ability to vary it's speed, but that is about the extent of it. Text looks fine on the screen, but white letter on the gray background will get tiring to look at if your document is long. The Samsung P2 has a GREAT text reader with background, orientation, fonts, font color, and other variables to play with.

The File Browser is just that. It displays the folder structure on the SPINN and you can drag any file displayed to a trash can icon for deletion.

The options accessible in the Settings menu include: Bluetooth, Date & Time, Sound, Display, Advanced, and Smart Key. With the Bluetooth option you can Add New Headset, choose from a previously listed headset, or drag a previous listing into the trash can to delete it. Date and Time simply let you set the current date and current time. Sound is where you'll find access to the custom equalizer, SRS WOW HD, Fade-In, and SPINN Volume (on or off?). Display Settings include Display Orientation, Backlight Timer, Wallpaper choices, Screen Brightness, Themes, Fonts, Menu Type, and an option to save the current UCI (assortment of display settings) for later recall. Advanced settings include Language, Sort order, Text Scroll Speed, Rebuild Library, Music Browse Type, Connection Type, Vibration, Power Off Type, System Info, Auto Power Off timing, and a Reset All Settings option. Lastly there is a Smart Key Setting which lets you assign what happens when you press and hold the SPINN's wheel.

User Interface. One thing I like about the SPINN is that it gives you a choice. All the touchscreen players out there suffer from fingerprint marks. The SPINN is the first one I've tested that allows you to control it with external controls OR touches of the screen. The key to it all is the SPINN wheel.

Add the Back button on top and you have almost every input you need. Spin the wheel to move up and down between menu choices. Press down on it to select. You can set a custom command to be activated when you press and hold the SPINN wheel. The touchscreen is fairly sensitive. I found it responsive. The only minor complaint is that many icons are near the edge of the screen and the raised screen frame occasionally limits fat finger access to those icons.

What the SPINN needs is more work. I sure hope IRiver is working on it. There is no gesture support. No multitouch. There is rare distinction between a short tap and a long touch on the screen. While better than several touchscreen players I've tested that use interfaces ported from non-touchscreen players, the SPINN has a long way to go to compete with the iPod Touch or Samsung P2.

The SPINN came with three applications including a Firmware Updater. What shows immature development is that the updater doesn't recognize the SPINN. It leaves me in doubt that they will improve the SPINN's firmware quickly.

EDIT: It's december 26th, and the Firmware Updater finally did recognize the SPINN. It looks like iriver is working on the web end of support for the SPINN. It's a good sign, but slow to get here.

Conclusion? The SPINN is a good player, but it's not worth the current asking price. The Samsung P2 is far more evolved. There is a P3 coming out in January that will be even better. The spin wheel is a great idea, but they should have exploited the touch screen more. I encountered a few (signal dropout) bugs using bluetooth. If you're looking for a great touchscreen media player, the SPINN isn't there yet.

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